Outbreak of route re-naming causing confusion and potentially harm

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  • August 31, 2018 at 11:08 #66469
    Anonymous
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    Hi,

    There has been quite a bit of social media comment about a outbreak of Kalymnos route re-naming occurring in some new sectors.

    Whilst it is unclear who is undertaking this or why, it seems to be occurring in a unstructured or controlled basis leading to confusion and potential risk.

    A recent examples included a team attempting a Noufaro re-named route thought to be 6c but as a result of the name changes appears to be a 7b/c grade. Specifically it appears that Kosta vs Sophia name has been swapped with Mantra.

    It also appears that the re-naming is leading to potential difficulty with teams being unaware of the 40m plus rope requirement on some renamed routes if they are using older guidebook versions. I hope nobody comes to harm as a result of this.

    Be careful out there.

    August 31, 2018 at 17:49 #69640
    Anonymous
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    Great effort whoever you are!

    Your pettiness and petulance will not only put off people coming to the island but may just cause a fatality.

    September 1, 2018 at 10:27 #69642
    Anonymous
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    This is absolute idiocy. Kalymnos is rightly loved as a safe and friendly sports climbing centre. Changing names, especially if route lengths become confused, puts your guests and your reputation at risk. I understand this has been brought about by a squabble over guidebooks but there is no excuse for endangering climbers. Kalymnos is my favourite place to climb and I have visited more than a dozen times but if this is how the island is going maybe it is time to look for somewhere else

    September 2, 2018 at 09:52 #69646
    Anonymous
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    Kalymnos Climbing Debacle!!

    So, as some of you may have been reading on various Facebook posts, the names of quite a lot of routes are being changed.

    The main reason for this is a childish, churlish reaction to the new rockfax guide by Chris Craggs to Kalymnos, the main idea is to change the name on the rock and the Rockfax guide is redundant (ish)!

    Not only are they changing names on the rock they are swapping names about, leading to confusion and differing pitch lengths which is an accident waiting to happen if your rope isn’t the correct length!

    This is TOTALLY unacceptable behaviour from Claude Idoux, together with Aris Theodoropoulos who I’m not afraid to name as the protaganist’s in this ridiculous action.

    Gentlemen PLEASE I implore you both to stop this ill conceived action, you will put a lot of people off coming to this wonderfull climbers paradise and worse you are putting people, fellow climbers at risk.

    We need to STOP the ill and bitter feelings of resentment, jealousy and egomania that has blighted the “behind the scenes” bolting efforts of various visiting equippers.

    September 2, 2018 at 18:49 #69647
    Anonymous
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    For all the people who are not as involved in this, it would be helpful to have more info about observations of the case, in contrast to conclusions without proof that read like a cheap newspaper.

    Andy, I think that if you want to resolve whatever is going on “behind the scenes”, a post that intends to publicly blame the other side for things they did, will not help much. Publishing obervations that you made in a neutral way and suggesting solutions would be a more promissing way, I think.

    September 4, 2018 at 17:57 #69652
    Anonymous
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    I am sorry for late reply, we have a crazy time trying to close the new guidebook and send it to the printers.

    Every route covered in the 2016 Kalymnos guidebook it is still valid.

    The routes with name changes it is only some routes that were opened more recently. Their route-developers had never officially published them, they were never in our Kalymnos guidebook or even on the web.

    If someone published these routes, they should have asked the permission of the equippers.

    Most of these routes were not ready to be published or climbed yet (needs more cleaning). For somebody else to go ahead and publish before they were ready, and have climbers start to climb these routes, was a very bad judgement and possibly dangerous mistake.

    September 12, 2018 at 12:31 #69668
    Anonymous
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    the solution is easy … buy only the greek guide book and not the Rockfax english vampire topo ! For the send app it is easy to change the name with an update … where is really the problem :-)

    September 14, 2018 at 05:16 #69671
    Anonymous
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    Most new routes are described in the ‘new route book’ in the Glaros Bar, long before any print publication. Still, in the interests of safety, here is the latest information:

    https://www.facebook.com/100007664264679/posts/2162633527335435/

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